“I began putting programs together to train and develop worship teams, worship leaders, help pastors and their ministers of music work better together.”

“I began developing courses and programs to help the body of Christ know what worship looks like.”

“I didn't have to put a resume together. I did a resume when I went over to Nationwide because I was looking. For Cigna, I didn't have to put a resume together. And then going back to Safeco, I didn't put a resume together.”

“We put, started to put together a collective team culture template and said, well, if that's working for us, let's make sure we don't hire someone who's completely, you know, different, maybe very impressive, but completely different, different value system.”

“Get them all in room together. Give them each seven grams of mushrooms. Put on some psychedelic music. Have them all lie down on bean bags.”